unemployment insurance, special education grants, tuition insurance, if we decide those are the important things we have to pay, i default here are the things that we won't pay. let me show you this list. military active duty pay, defense department vepdsers, department of justice which is courts, and the fbi, department of education, those pell grants, and department of energy expenses. clearly these are not good tradeoffs. >> well, it's, again, unthinkable. that's one of the examples that we've worked with. that example is the one where we protect all of the social safety net payments. this is food for poor people, this is medicare, medicaid, social security and interest on the debt which have to pay and those sorts of things. you can see you have to pay military active duty pay, operate the justice department. the justice department, for example, is only $1.4 billion in august. i say only. it's a lot of money. but that's the fbi, that's the courts, that's the jails, the federal jails, that's the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms. you need that stuff. you can't eliminate that stuff.